Ravine Flyer II- Gravity Group - Waldameer Park

[Robert T Ackerman]

I wish I could add to this "debate"... I've yet to ride ST and Rampage... they are both either too far out of the way or in a part of the country I've yet to explore, much like those other 2 fantastic looking woodies in Idaho!

[PcMan]

Last Time I was on the Georgia Cyclone was the Year it opened 1990
I drove there in a Geo Metro I rented.

I have Pictures (film) somewhere I got to did them out and scan them.

I rode the kamikaze here in Wildwood before thy moved it to Georgia
I also have many pics of it

[Robert T Ackerman]

Nice pink jump suit

It was totally the new black at the time!

That was short lived

[GADVwow]

The Georgia Cyclone is a far more faithful rendition of the coaster it was in 1990 than are most theme park woodies....

Wonder what El Toro will be like in the year 2023?

[PcMan]

El Toro is great from the drop to the RT Pop
but just slows to quick afterwards its like riding a mine train near the end.
and much to smooth but that may be a good thing as it may feel more like a "regular Wooden coaster" when it breaks in more.

[AV Matt]

I wish I could add to this "debate"... I've yet to ride ST and Rampage...

Doesn't seem to be stopping you from upping your post count! lol


Wow, I can't imagine Wolverine Wildcat ever holding a candle to Phoenix. I have never gotten much out of it, but '98 was the first year I visited Michigan's Adventure.

Rob, I would focus on getting to Idaho before Michigan. Nasai says the Silverwoodies are insane now since Jeff Hammersley (former Holiday World and CCI coaster carpenter for those than don't know) started maintaining them. I really hope Coaster Alley Convergence makes a comeback this year!

[Robert T Ackerman]

El Toro is great from the drop to the RT Pop
but just slows to quick afterwards its like riding a mine train near the end.
and much to smooth but that may be a good thing as it may feel more like a "regular Wooden coaster" when it breaks in more.

I don't think it will ever feel like a "normal" woodie because of the trains/wheel and the way the track is set up... just a hunch though.

[PcMan]

Rob you need one more for 1000 posts

[AV Matt]

Yeah, the polyurethane wheels will always make the ride feel like steel no matter how bad the track gets. At worst it will feel like Magnum or Gemini.

I love El Toro's layout. I just hate the smoothness and the dead hills and how the banking virtually eliminates the laterals. The first three drops are great, the drop into Rolling Thunder is great, the zig zagging is fun despite being lateral-less, but those other hills are duds. So I love half of the ride and find the other half dull, so that results in my low ranking of the ride overall. But it's definitely very fun; just not the whole package I look for in a ride.

[darkridedan]

At worst it will feel like Magnum

Ok, first you knock Hades.
Then you take a shot at Maverick.
Would you like to stomp on the rest of my park?

Remember I have pictures of you in a pool. 

[AV Matt]

At worst it will feel like Magnum

Ok, first you knock Hades.
Then you take a shot at Maverick.
Would you like to stomp on the rest of my park?

Remember I have pictures of you in a pool. 

Damn, I knew that skinny dipping would come back and bite me in the bum.

[Millennium Force 44]

I love El Toro's layout. I just hate the smoothness and the dead hills and how the banking virtually eliminates the laterals. The first three drops are great, the drop into Rolling Thunder is great, the zig zagging is fun despite being lateral-less, but those other hills are duds.

Very true. Too bad that one hill before the turn into the RT crossover wasn't more parabolic like the 2 hills after the first drop because it would have provided some serious airtime.

[darkridedan]

I don't know too much about engineering but I think that hill is designed to be low as it is to keep the momentum up so that the train will fly over the hill at RT.

[Millennium Force 44]

I don't know too much about engineering but I think that hill is designed to be low as it is to keep the momentum up so that the train will fly over the hill at RT.

Yea I was also thinking that too.

[AV Matt]

From an engineering/physics aspect, the height doesn't really affect the speed/momentum on successive hills too much as long as the train can make it over the top. The shape of the hill is what matters most in producing airtime.

But the real puzzler for me about El Toro is those last two S-curve bunny hops. When the ride was announced, I was very excited about those. I figured Intamin knew what they were doing and those two hills would provide a killer finale to the ride which looked over all fantastic to me--ironically, I was one of ET's biggest optimists from the beginning. But the three days I've ridden it since opening year, the train just crawls after the flat zig-zag section. I wonder if Intamin anticipated much more speed through that section, but I can't imagine going over the top of that last big drop any faster, as it's already the strongest moment of ejector air in existence. And Rob A has told me on some days, those hills do deliver air, so it's a real puzzler to me.

[darkridedan]

From an engineering/physics aspect, the height doesn't really affect the speed/momentum on successive hills too much as long as the train can make it over the top. The shape of the hill is what matters most in producing airtime.

Same thing, different words, Mr. Engineer. 

And Rob A has told me on some days, those hills do deliver air, so it's a real puzzler to me.

Then it must be true.   

[WadeJ]

Those rerides we had after midnight last summer provided quite a bit of airtime.  If I recall, I remember actually thrusting forward upon hitting the brake.  Much like Nitro, I think toro is moody to NJ weather.  Matt, when was the last time you rode?  The last 2 months of 2007 I thought it was really breaking in finally.

[Bubba Z]

Matt,  If it was Frissbeking ... I would have believed you but not Rob A !

I'd agree, anything after park closing on El Toro Is amazing . Re-rides are also a plus!

[AV Matt]

Last time I rode ET was the Saturday after PPP '07. Prior to that, I rode it on a Sunday and the following Tuesday in late July, 2006.

I am anxious to catch it on a good day! Having air on those last two hills would make a world of difference to change my lackluster opinion of the ride.

[PcMan]

some comments at screamscape

 "From the comment?s I?ve been hearing lately, this coaster may very well be the best yet by The Gravity Group. Yes? some say its even better than The Voyage." 

here some good pics and Video from TPR

www.themeparkreview.com/parks/photo.php?pageid=161&linkid=2619

I like this pic \/ courtesy of TPR
I think I see Coasten Steve ?



and this one \/



Yes it is Steve \/
Great pics TPR

[Robert T Ackerman]

I'm not too sure anything can be better than the Voyage, IMO, but I'm more than willing to try to find a ride that is! I can't wait to get on this coaster, but I'm going to wait a month or two to let it break in some more.

[Bubba Z]

Yes? some say its even better than The Voyage."

Yeah.. cause Voyage beats "them" up.   I can't reride...whaaa